Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:36 pm
Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:32 pm
brother 95 wrote:H has a lot a difficulties to embody these songs BUT Marillion is a stunning band and delivers extraordinary albums,emotionaly powerful and strong!
Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:13 pm
Lady41 wrote:brother 95 wrote:H has a lot a difficulties to embody these songs BUT Marillion is a stunning band and delivers extraordinary albums,emotionaly powerful and strong!
Seems to me he doesn't even bother trying to 'embody' them and (from what I've seen on YouTube) generally lets the audience do it! The one and only time I started to watch him "performing" (I use the term loosely) Script, I was amazed to see he was laughing. I was WTF, this isn't supposed to be funny! So I ended up switching it off. The band, however, are still superb.
I do like one or two Marillion songs from the post-Fish era, but they are few and far between. The music remains superb, however. Fish-era songs I think they should leave well alone because they really do belong to Fish and, whilst the band naturally still has rights to them, they were, after all, written with Fish's voice and Fish's performance of them in mind and I believe only Fish himself can give them the credit they deserve. As has already been said, Hogarth doesn't really put any effort or any part of himself into them & they weren't written for his kind of performance (or lack of it). If I were in his shoes, I can't say I'd particularly want to, either.
Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:25 pm
Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:13 am
Andyboy67 wrote: Although it proberly sounded a 100 times better than it would if he had attempted to sing it !!??
Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:35 am
Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:11 am
Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:02 am
jester1470 wrote: he actually is a very good singer, technically he's got a good range and is better than Fish (before anyone argues, I'm pretty sure Fish himself has said this), though i prefer Fish's singing.
Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:27 pm
Lady41 wrote:jester1470 wrote: he actually is a very good singer, technically he's got a good range and is better than Fish (before anyone argues, I'm pretty sure Fish himself has said this), though i prefer Fish's singing.
Your post (in its entirely) is very fair comment and whilst I won't "argue" cos that's not my style ) I won't agree. His range is flat to my ears & it's boring. Just because Fish conceded he has a better range doesn't make Fish right, either. He doesn't need to criticise and has got over any bitterness & holds his own, anyway. Ultimately, an artist is playing to an audience and that audience is going to have different views.
It's about your own taste and perception of how something should be performed. And that will always be subjective.
Resorting to arguing really isn't necessary. Personally, I don't think H can sing. I'm not convinced Fish can, either, but he puts a performance into what he does and has a 'presence' in what he does. And the artist's presence, to me, makes it. He has a 'something' that few artists possess. I won't apologise for not seeing that in H. I'm not a music critic and wouldn't wish to be. But I won't be persuaded in my stance that music, of any genre, is entirely personal.
Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:54 pm
jester1470 wrote:It isn't entirely personal though, there are conventions as to what makes you a better technical singer, it may not be that you have to like someone who is a technically better singer but there are conventions in place on technicality. Mariah Carey is technically a brilliant singer but i don't really get much out of her performance, I might prefer another artist but technically Mariah is a better singer, she hits her notes better, she can sustain them longer she has a larger range. You're mistaking taste with technicality and there is a difference, Steve is a better technical singer, but I prefer Fish. Steve Hogarth actually has a very good range, one of the things I haven't liked about him recently is his over reliance on falsetto in his performances. I would think most people would see Steve Hogarth as technically better because he is, that doesn't mean you have to like him more, technicality isn't a personal viewpoint, but liking someone more or less is.